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Re: PC & Laptop
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2013, 10:45:45 AM »
Ok, I went to the link you provided and the graphics card (NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 650M) was 76th.
Falling into the 'Mid-Range Graphics Cards' category:

"With these GPUs you are able to play modern and demanding games fluently at medium detail settings and HD resolution."

Which makes me a little anxious about whether or not it'll last more than 3 (preferably 4) years, but I guess I don't have much of a choice, lol.

Also, not sure I really want to sacrifice the CPU for better RAM.

15.6" Matte HD LED Backlit Widescreen (1366x768).
i5-3380M (2.90GHz).
8GB RAM (1 x 8GB).
NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M - 2.0GB.
500GB HDD 8MB cache (5,400rpm).
Windows 7 64-bit Home Premium (Amazon - £70).
Rest is default (except OS, anti-virus software and free Office software).

Total: £692 (inc. VAT).

However, willing to perhaps go a little further...which would be more beneficial?

8GB RAM (2 x 4GB) - £20
OR
500GB HDD 16MB cache (7200rpm) - £22

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Re: PC & Laptop
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2013, 10:40:40 PM »
you won't feel the difference between 2.6 GHz and 2.9 GHz, the 2.6Ghz is fine, that is +86 pounds
2x4GB instead of 1x8GB is +10pounds
dont get the 500GB with 5400rpm
get the 750 GB WD black with 7200 rpm
or if you want the real deal, and you can live with 120GB, then choose the 12GB kingston SSD hyperX 3k

im at 658 pounds with the 750GB wd black

if you can afford it you could also change to a i7-3630QM (+64 pounds) that would be the better choice then the 2.9GHz dual core

here is an exmaple of that build: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pzwluzEABs (on full hd display btw)
« Last Edit: July 19, 2013, 10:51:16 PM by donchill-AUT »
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Re: PC & Laptop
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2013, 10:16:05 AM »
Enigma IV: 15.6" Matte HD LED Backlit Widescreen (1366x768)
Intel® Core™i7 Dual Core Mobile Processor i7-3540M (3.00GHz) 4MB
8GB KINGSTON HYPER-X GENESIS 1600MHz SODIMM DDR3 (2 x 4GB)
NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 650M - 2.0GB DDR3 Video RAM - DirectX® 11
750GB WD SCORPIO BLACK WD7500BPKT, SATA 3 Gb/s, 16MB CACHE (7200 rpm)

The rest is default, except no OS.

Total: £713 + £70 (OS) = £783

Lol, that's a LOT of money. If I did get the i7 instead of the i5-3380M (2.90GHz) (£660 total) or the i5-3230M (2.60Hz) (£574 total), would I notice the difference? Is it worth it? Will it make it even more future-proof? Basically what I want to know is if it's worth investing my money in, lol.

In order to pay for this, I cashed in all of my children's saving bonds that I've had since I was born, and with the interest that was made on them, I have just a little over £1,000 but obviously I don't want to spend that much because I'll need some of it while I'm dying of starvation or in need of clothes at University (if I indeed obtain the prerequisite, that being the grades). What I'm saying is, I'll have the money soon, so I'll be able to buy it, and so I need all the advice I can get - which you're doing very well at providing donch :D Thanks for all the help!

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Re: PC & Laptop
« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2013, 01:44:46 PM »
get i7-3630QM instead
lol im not responsible for what you buy. hardware is never Future proof but this build is decent enough. you could also get a real pc or spend 1000 pounds or more for a bigger notebok
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Re: PC & Laptop
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2013, 02:04:23 PM »
Ok, well I think I'm happy with spending £783 (on the product listed in my previous post, as advised).

Although it won't be future-proof, will it still be capable of playing games at a decent level of graphics in 3-4 years?

I was thinking, if I'm willing to spend this much on a laptop, that it should hopefully last me a few years and when the time comes to buy a new one or a desktop PC, then I might have earned enough money to purchase a new one :)

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Re: PC & Laptop
« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2013, 02:15:48 PM »
a quadcore is much more futre proof, take the i7-3630QM quad core

let's put it this way: i would buy it, it would be 800-850 euro for me. here at my place they would cost 1000 euro for sure
and since you go to college, which from my thoughts is very expensive in UK you probably will have the money back later

here i found some similar ones:
http://www.novatech.co.uk/laptop/range/novatecheliten1535.html
http://www.novatech.co.uk/laptop/range/novatecheliten1540.html
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/156-msi-ge60-0nc-622uk-24ghz-intel-core-i7-3630qm-8gb-ddr3-750gb-hdd-2gb-gt-650m-gpu-dvdrw-win-8-kil
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Re: PC & Laptop
« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2013, 03:50:28 PM »
Ok, do you consider the last link you posted (the one below) to be better than the custom one on PCSPECIALIST? (the info I posted earlier).

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/156-msi-ge60-0nc-622uk-24ghz-intel-core-i7-3630qm-8gb-ddr3-750gb-hdd-2gb-gt-650m-gpu-dvdrw-win-8-kil

The only thing I really worry about is Windows 8 (probably why they're somewhat cheaper). Does anyone have any experience using it? I've only used it a few times at a cousins and it seems rather confusing and poorly made, despite the desktop background alternative, as it has no start button.

Edit: Also, it's a shame about the RAM, just 8GB, not 8GB (2x4GB), lol.

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« Last Edit: July 20, 2013, 04:00:27 PM by King_Paradox »

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Re: PC & Laptop
« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2013, 04:39:34 PM »
nah don't get it has full had glossy/glare display
i just wanted to show you the pricing is nearly the same, but the pc specialialist being the best one in my eyes

this is my final answer king:

   

Chassis & Display
Enigma IV: 15.6" Matte HD LED Backlit Widescreen (1366x768) (£5)
   

Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Mobile Processor i7-3630QM (2.40GHz) 6MB
   

Memory (RAM)
8GB KINGSTON HYPER-X GENESIS 1600MHz SODIMM DDR3 (2 x 4GB)
   

Graphics Card
NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 650M - 2.0GB DDR3 Video RAM - DirectX® 11
   

Memory - Hard Disk
750GB WD SCORPIO BLACK WD7500BPKT, SATA 3 Gb/s, 16MB CACHE (7200 rpm)
   

DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
8x SATA DVD±R/RW/Dual Layer (+ 24x CD-RW)
   

Memory Card Reader
Integrated 3 in 1 Memory Card Reader (SD, MMC, MS)
   

Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
   

Sound Card
SRS 2 Channel High Definition Audio + MIC/Headphone Jack
   

Bluetooth & Wireless
ENIGMA SERIES GIGABIT LAN & WIRELESS 802.11N + BLUETOOTH 3.0
   

USB Options
2 x USB 3.0 PORTS + 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS AS STANDARD
   

Battery
Enigma Series 6 Cell Lithium Ion Battery (5,200 mAH)
   

Power Lead & Adaptor
1 x UK Power Lead & 90W AC Adaptor
   

Operating System
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit w/SP1 - inc DVD & Licence (£79)
   

Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft® Office® 365
   

Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
   

Keyboard Language
INTEGRATED UK KEYBOARD
   

Notebook Mouse
INTEGRATED 2 BUTTON TOUCHPAD MOUSE
   

Webcam
INTEGRATED 1.3 MEGAPIXEL WEBCAM
   

Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour) (£5)
   

Insurance
1 Month Free Laptop Insurance inc. Accidental Damage & Theft
   

Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
   

Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 9 to 11 working days


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i dont know about delivery, where you live etc, but choose standard delivery time, it's still insured delivery


being a total of 722 pounds for me = 838 euro with windows 7, 64bit home premium (without it 643 pounds!)

keep in mind that without OS you'll need the install DVD (or torrent it and burn it on dvd)
and a legal windows cd key for that dvd. (or illegal activation)
plus you need to download all the drivers and install them, or they give you the drivers with a dvd(?!)
edit: found it https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?2968-Can-get-drivers-from-site

i dont know if you can do this (no offence) but i think the support of that site or some tech friend will help you with that..
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Re: PC & Laptop
« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2013, 07:33:00 PM »
Ok, I put in all the information and it came to £643.

My brother has experience in having purchased his own gaming desktop PC and bought the OS separately and so installed all the drivers and all the other stuff individually, so I'll be able to use his experience to help me complete mine.

Again, thanks for the help, but out of curiosity and interest, what's the difference between i7-3540M (3.0GHz) 4MB and i7-3630QM 6MB?

And the difference in the memory in terms of 5,400 rpm and 7,200 rpm?

Not really talking about cost here, but the actual difference in terms of changes to the laptop/PC itself.

Thanks a lot, you've helped me purchase my first laptop :D (and an upgraded gaming device (by this I mean I don't need to buy a new PC either)).

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Re: PC & Laptop
« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2013, 07:59:58 PM »
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Re: PC & Laptop
« Reply #25 on: July 20, 2013, 08:14:31 PM »


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Re: PC & Laptop
« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2013, 01:28:28 AM »
Again, thanks for the help, but out of curiosity and interest, what's the difference between i7-3540M (3.0GHz) 4MB and i7-3630QM 6MB?

i7-3540M - Faster (3GHz), but less cache (4MB), only dual core
i7-3630QM - Slower (2.4GHz), but more cache (6MB) and quad core

I would go for the i7-3630QM for its quad core goodness. Newer multithreaded programs will run better on the i7-3630QM, but older single threaded programs will run better on the i7-3540M.

And the difference in the memory in terms of 5,400 rpm and 7,200 rpm?

7,200 RPM drives have faster seek times than 5,400 RPM drives so loading stuff will be faster.


As for memory when choosing 1x 8GB or 2x 4GB, go for the 2x 4GB. Running RAM modules in pairs allows them to run in dual channel mode, which doubles their performance.

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Re: PC & Laptop
« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2013, 09:32:14 AM »
Thanks for answering my questions KiLL3R.
Very useful information!

This has definitely been a learning process for me, so not am I buying a laptop but I'm also gaining new knowledge :D

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